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		<title>By: I Asked for a Raise, and Here&#8217;s What Happened. at This Writer&#8217;s Wallet</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/2008/03/01/when-do-you-deserve-a-raise/comment-page-1/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator>I Asked for a Raise, and Here&#8217;s What Happened. at This Writer&#8217;s Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] OK, blogging buddies: Thank you again to everyone (especially Full-Grown Single and Ronnie Ann) who weighed in on my March post, When Do You Deserve a Raise? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Freezes, Raises &#38; Questions &#171; This Writer&#8217;s Wallet</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/2008/03/01/when-do-you-deserve-a-raise/comment-page-1/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Freezes, Raises &#38; Questions &#171; This Writer&#8217;s Wallet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 19:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote about when people do or don&#8217;t deserve raises last week, I started thinking. Is it normal for a company to have a pay freeze indefinitely? As in, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: GG</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/2008/03/01/when-do-you-deserve-a-raise/comment-page-1/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>GG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 03:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ann:

I am by no means the expert, but, if I were you, I'd try two things.

(Assuming you like your job at all and want to stay): I'd get out specifics statistics of my work--logged praise, charts of how much accomplished, whatever. I'd figure this stuff out on my own time, by the way.

Then I'd ask to meet with my boss and would discuss/present the info I'd gathered, asking for a bigger raise.

If she said no, I'd start looking for another job.

The blog I quoted from above is Ronnie Ann's, and she might be a better help in this category.

Best wishes,
GG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ann:</p>
<p>I am by no means the expert, but, if I were you, I&#8217;d try two things.</p>
<p>(Assuming you like your job at all and want to stay): I&#8217;d get out specifics statistics of my work&#8211;logged praise, charts of how much accomplished, whatever. I&#8217;d figure this stuff out on my own time, by the way.</p>
<p>Then I&#8217;d ask to meet with my boss and would discuss/present the info I&#8217;d gathered, asking for a bigger raise.</p>
<p>If she said no, I&#8217;d start looking for another job.</p>
<p>The blog I quoted from above is Ronnie Ann&#8217;s, and she might be a better help in this category.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />
GG</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could go through my cheap boss

who determined my increase based upon her own - regardless of the fact that I completed 11 projects of 6 assigned - and she gave me a 126.6% on my review (others got a 96%).

I could go to HR who will send me back to my boss

I could go to management who told me it was her discretion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could go through my cheap boss</p>
<p>who determined my increase based upon her own - regardless of the fact that I completed 11 projects of 6 assigned - and she gave me a 126.6% on my review (others got a 96%).</p>
<p>I could go to HR who will send me back to my boss</p>
<p>I could go to management who told me it was her discretion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 06:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What to do when your substandard co-workers (that you have been carrying) get the same increase as you in a PAY for PERFORMANCE environment?</description>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/2008/03/01/when-do-you-deserve-a-raise/comment-page-1/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words - and for clarifying your own situation. Sounds like you are nicely on top of things. Please feel free to offer your own thoughts when you stop by. You'll see a section on Work Coach called "About Experts" and I mean it...no one knows all the answers. We learn from each other. I am always learning from the cool people who drop by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words - and for clarifying your own situation. Sounds like you are nicely on top of things. Please feel free to offer your own thoughts when you stop by. You&#8217;ll see a section on Work Coach called &#8220;About Experts&#8221; and I mean it&#8230;no one knows all the answers. We learn from each other. I am always learning from the cool people who drop by.</p>
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		<title>By: GradGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>GradGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 03:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FGS: I should have been more clear--I did get a raise at my three-month review, and this meeting last week wasn't a "review" technically, but more of a chat. I fully intend to ask for an increase at my annual review, as I stated above. That's why I'm charting my progress by way of productivity reports, etc. Genuinely, we're in a freeze, and I understand. I'd rather my stellar employee get what she was promised pre-freeze than ask for another raise, only eight months into my job.

Also, I run my department... so a promotion would send me out the door or make me a VP. LOL. :)

Ronnie Ann: Loved your blog and added it to my blog reader. :) You have a lot to teach me, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FGS: I should have been more clear&#8211;I did get a raise at my three-month review, and this meeting last week wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;review&#8221; technically, but more of a chat. I fully intend to ask for an increase at my annual review, as I stated above. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m charting my progress by way of productivity reports, etc. Genuinely, we&#8217;re in a freeze, and I understand. I&#8217;d rather my stellar employee get what she was promised pre-freeze than ask for another raise, only eight months into my job.</p>
<p>Also, I run my department&#8230; so a promotion would send me out the door or make me a VP. LOL. <img src='http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Ronnie Ann: Loved your blog and added it to my blog reader. <img src='http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> You have a lot to teach me, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH! I was writing while Full Grown Single was posting. S/he said it much more clearly than I did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH! I was writing while Full Grown Single was posting. S/he said it much more clearly than I did.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronnie Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.thiswriterswallet.com/2008/03/01/when-do-you-deserve-a-raise/comment-page-1/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronnie Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi gradgirl!

Thanks for visiting my blog. Glad one of the comments spoke to you. One of the best things about a blog like mine is when people share their own real world experiences and advice.

I've worked in a gizzillion places (ok...maybe a few less than that) and there is no one correct strategy for this. It really does depend on the company, industry and the personalities involved. My guess is that you are able to assess your particular situation better than anyone. So I'm not writing to offer you advice. Your plan sounds good to me.

I just want to share something. In general (and I know this is NOT everyone), sometimes women are more likely to hang back and play by the "rules" and wait for people to recognize their achievements. Men are more likely to just ask for the money. I've seen this in non-profits, corporations, government and most recently academia. In fact, (over 7 years) I watched men at my last consulting job consistently asking for raises/promotions even when everyone else was being told money was tight. Most of the women "understood" and just accepted the standard 3% raises without complaining. Oh...and even though our boss complained about how these guys were being so inconsiderate, they quietly got the raises! This is more common than people know.

The commenter is right that raises should ideally be earned; but truthfully, we often have to be proactive in making sure we are recognized for the work we do. Although this doesn't seem to be your boss, MANY bosses will try to get by without giving a raise as long as it looks like people don't mind.

Oh...and you are soooo right about realizing that if you do your job well and know you have a lot to offer, there are bosses who will appreciate you if yours doesn't. Just glad you seem to have one of the good ones. Also glad you are not afraid to speak up for yourself. When I started most women were afraid to so that, but things have changed a lot. Still, when it comes to raises, I think there's a difference even today.

Hope it was ok to say all this. Thanks for such an interesting post. And really nice about standing up for your employee. More bosses should be like you!

Ronnie Ann
aka Work Coach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi gradgirl!</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting my blog. Glad one of the comments spoke to you. One of the best things about a blog like mine is when people share their own real world experiences and advice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked in a gizzillion places (ok&#8230;maybe a few less than that) and there is no one correct strategy for this. It really does depend on the company, industry and the personalities involved. My guess is that you are able to assess your particular situation better than anyone. So I&#8217;m not writing to offer you advice. Your plan sounds good to me.</p>
<p>I just want to share something. In general (and I know this is NOT everyone), sometimes women are more likely to hang back and play by the &#8220;rules&#8221; and wait for people to recognize their achievements. Men are more likely to just ask for the money. I&#8217;ve seen this in non-profits, corporations, government and most recently academia. In fact, (over 7 years) I watched men at my last consulting job consistently asking for raises/promotions even when everyone else was being told money was tight. Most of the women &#8220;understood&#8221; and just accepted the standard 3% raises without complaining. Oh&#8230;and even though our boss complained about how these guys were being so inconsiderate, they quietly got the raises! This is more common than people know.</p>
<p>The commenter is right that raises should ideally be earned; but truthfully, we often have to be proactive in making sure we are recognized for the work we do. Although this doesn&#8217;t seem to be your boss, MANY bosses will try to get by without giving a raise as long as it looks like people don&#8217;t mind.</p>
<p>Oh&#8230;and you are soooo right about realizing that if you do your job well and know you have a lot to offer, there are bosses who will appreciate you if yours doesn&#8217;t. Just glad you seem to have one of the good ones. Also glad you are not afraid to speak up for yourself. When I started most women were afraid to so that, but things have changed a lot. Still, when it comes to raises, I think there&#8217;s a difference even today.</p>
<p>Hope it was ok to say all this. Thanks for such an interesting post. And really nice about standing up for your employee. More bosses should be like you!</p>
<p>Ronnie Ann<br />
aka Work Coach</p>
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		<title>By: Full Grown Single</title>
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		<dc:creator>Full Grown Single</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This line, "I didn’t ask for any increase, either–not because I don’t want one, but because I’m convinced I’ll get one when I prove I’ve earned it. " worries me a little. Believing this is apparently one of the major workplace differences between women and men.

I think it's always a good idea to go into your annual review with a notion of what you'd like to see in a raise and to bring it up. You can do this in a not-too-clunky way, and bring in another uncomfortable issue as well by saying "Here are three areas where I've really put in a lot of effort and shown you a lot of growth. How do you think I'm doing in terms of moving toward the next level?" Because raises are the small stuff when it comes to salary growth: it's promotions that bring bigger salary jumps. Might as well let them know a couple of times a year that you're eager to take that next step up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This line, &#8220;I didn’t ask for any increase, either–not because I don’t want one, but because I’m convinced I’ll get one when I prove I’ve earned it. &#8221; worries me a little. Believing this is apparently one of the major workplace differences between women and men.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s always a good idea to go into your annual review with a notion of what you&#8217;d like to see in a raise and to bring it up. You can do this in a not-too-clunky way, and bring in another uncomfortable issue as well by saying &#8220;Here are three areas where I&#8217;ve really put in a lot of effort and shown you a lot of growth. How do you think I&#8217;m doing in terms of moving toward the next level?&#8221; Because raises are the small stuff when it comes to salary growth: it&#8217;s promotions that bring bigger salary jumps. Might as well let them know a couple of times a year that you&#8217;re eager to take that next step up.</p>
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